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Our heroes discuss and review the Sci Fi blockbuster movie - Blade Runner 2049. Is it a contender for the best movie of 2017? Best movie of the decade? Millenia? They dig deep into nerd culture and discover that it’s the exact opposite of the original 1982 Blade Runner…


  • The use of CG to reanimate the corpses of 80s heroines.
  • How it compares to the Phillip K. Dick book ‘Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep’.
  • The fantastic cinematography, characters, and sets.
  • Digging into the movie’s tiniest details.

Oh, and throw in a good rant about the worst bit in the film, Will Smith, and Vangelis - and you’ve got yourself a show!

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Transcript of episode 1: Blade Runner 2049 Review

Kev (9s): And welcome to - In This Episode: Everybody Dies. I'm your host Kevin Mohler. With me as always Chad Walsh and Ben Briere. Gentlemen, how are you?

Chad (16s): Hey kids.

Ben (17s): Hey, what's up?

Kev (20s): An enthusiastic opening as always and folks. This week, we're going to be talking about a film we've been dying to talk about, and of course it took me about a month and a half to finally find the time to go see it, but we're going to be talking about Blade Runner 2049 this week. That's it. Just that one thing. So be prepared nerds

Ben (43s): Nerds!

Kev (46s): Gents. Where do you want to fly to first in talking about this incredible film? There's so much to talk about. Where do we begin? Chad / Ben, you want to take it?

Chad (56s): Well, I just think I kind of felt like they did a really good job of both honoring the original and then a lot of throwbacks as well like for fans like fan service, but that like was relevant to the plot as well.

Ben (1m 08s): Yeah, I want to say I started off thinking why are they doing this? I didn't want to like it at all but I have to say it was impressive to see them just kind of really open that that world from the first movie up in such a huge and new way. It was really impressive.

Kev (1m 33s): Yeah. I got to agree a hundred percent. I when I heard of that film being done, I was like what. You know, I didn't not want to like it but I think I was scared because I was like whoever's taking that on is really got some gigantic cojones and it really needs to be amazing. Otherwise all the Nerds on the internet are going to obliterate it in less than 3 nanoseconds. So I think I was more scared than anything for the filmmaker, the actors, all of those people, the writers, you know, and I was really psyched to see that Hampton Fancher wrote the script and he wrote the original with David Peoples I think his name was. So that was really refreshing to see and then to see what it became. I was really just blown away at how great it was Denis Villeneuve is a great director and he did the Arrival which was amazing. The arrival was amazing. What did he do that?

Chad (2m 46s): Also like Sicario or sick-ah-rio or whatever.

Kev (2m 49s): Sicario was excellent. I bought a copy of that. It was so good. And I also I didn't see Prisoners. I wanted to see it, but I haven't seen that yet. But um-

Chad (2m 57s): I saw Prisoners and didn't like it at all. But whatever everyone's allowed a mulligan.

Kev (3m 2s): Sure. Sure. Yeah. I just thought the film was great Chad chime in.

Chad (3m 7s): Yeah, I thought so too like ever since kind of Force Awakens. Like I've always been kind of an anti spoiler person for myself just because I want to go in and clean like I had a couple of experiences when I was young specifically: Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. I was in England at the time and just randomly walked into the theater and was just blown away. Yeah, the original Matrix I went I came back from like a trip abroad like traveling for months and months and had no idea that it existed and like also walked into a theater. So like I really love going in super clean and and whatnot because it just helps with the experience I find. So like it's pain in the ass nowadays the social media staying away from stuff, but.

Kev (3m 45s): Oh my God, right

Chad (3m 47s): I had The Force Awakens spoiled on Instagram, and I was really pissed about it. So I excuse me. So I really try and stay away from stuff. So I went and super clean for Blade Runner. Didn't know anything about it barely knew who was in. It didn't know the director and like really enjoyed it as a result of that. But I think I would have enjoyed it either way because they did such an awesome job executing it and throwing back and then it wasn't just like a giant fan service movie either

Kev (4m 13s): like, oh my God not even close.

Chad (4m 14s): It wasn't strictly fanservice. There was so much interesting stuff in it, you know, so I think they did a really really good job. I'll get into it a little bit more later. But like for me it was a you know, it was like a 9/10 movie like one of the better movies pretty much ever kind of thing and then like a couple of things happen in the film that knocked it back significantly for me, but and we can get into that. But but like the original Blade Runner is kind of like in the pantheon of like The Godfather and stuff, you know, like it's just like one of the top movies ever made.

Kev (4m 45s): If Blade Runner is not in your nerd top five sci-fi films of all time. I mean, you're not a nerd. I mean, let's face it. But I think uh-

Ben (4m 55s): well, some people would disagree though. Some people think it's really slow, the original they think it's real up. And of course the sequel as well is kind of you know, it's not an action-packed blazing, you know guns explosions every five seconds kind of movie It's poignant and it's it's slow and it's quiet and things unfold in a very kind of, you know on their own and they're at their own pace-

Chad (5m 27s): It just jumped out at me. Sorry Bennie. It just jumped out at me that like the original Blade Runner to me, I recently watched just before going to this new one just to kind of refresh the memory, and have it really present. The fact that it was made in 82 and what they were able to accomplish visually with it was so groundbreaking. It kind of reminds me of like what people say about like the Beatles, you know, and what the Beatles was able to do with 4 tracks and how like the technical accomplishment was so before its time. So, while I totally get that, you know, the original Blade Runner is slow and maybe people don't like slow movies and they want action. I think like what it was able to do with the technology and the CG not CG but like with the effects the visual effects at the time which is so mind-blowing and the fact that it's still like holds up. So well, you know 30 whatever years later is just amazing to me and I think that's what makes it one of the top movies even if you didn't like the movie so to speak.

Kev (6m 25s): Absolutely man. I mean, I mean this movie just sort of playing to what you just said and what kind of what Ben was saying a second ago like this is a great film like it's a great Standalone film and it's a great piece of art, you know. It's great all by itself. And I don't I'm not recalling. Anyway anything right now that made it knocked it back for me. I really thought that this was a really amazing movie of easily a 9 or 10 out of 10. I don't think I have a single complaint about it. But I feel that way about it. It's a film it's a really great piece of artistic work, you know, and it stands on its own two feet. If you had just released this film it would have been great in and of itself, you know,

Chad (7m 17s): yeah, totally I love that they were able to kind of capture the feeling of the original in terms of I suppose I should have expected it. But like I loved like the cars, you know, like the spinner flying around and you see like Pan Am logos and Atari logos and all this shit that's like doesn't exist in our universe and it's just like, ah, it's so awesome that they kept all of that that kind of alternate universe stuff alive and it just like totally sucked you back. Into that head space from back in the

Kev (7m 45s): day. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really good. I was sort of driving it something a second ago, and I've sort of lost what I was trying to get at but I found it again. I want to just to add in that not only is it just a film but you know you were saying how groundbreaking the original was what they were able to do with the technology that they had and this movie, you know, they have all of the technology at their disposal and they have CGI and all of that stuff. So it's easier to paint a visual picture and because of that like you really have to make a great story and the writing the story is so good. And I think that is a testament to how good this film is you know what I mean? Because they don't have that like they can't crutch unlike effects and visuals and all of that stuff. I mean, it's visually stunning and he did a great job making it as visually stunning. Is wiggly Scott did in the original one, you know, so I don't know. I just wanted to throw that in there. I thought that was important, you know good writing is important and as you know, we live in an age where it's like all of these high CG films are out these Eye Candy Films like a real story is what really makes a good movie, you know, and when you watch, you know, a lot of the Marvel movies for instance because there's so many of them and they're so full of eye candy, you know, there's some really good stories in there and some really great acting going on as well. You know, that's what makes those great

Chad (9m 15s): films. Yeah, I think like the the story for me like I also try not to read anything about them immediately afterwards so that I can try and like process a little bit myself and get my own thoughts together before I read a bunch of other people's thoughts and kind of assimilate them and I went with Emma for those that don't know that's my wife to the movie back in the day like the lad when it first came out and on the on the drive home, you know. Isn't super into sci-fi in general per se and like we watched Blade Runner together, but she like fell asleep halfway through as they do and she didn't pick up on a lot of the subtle kind of Throwbacks because she isn't really super aware of the original. So like on the on the drive home. The first thing that jumped out at me was that like it was a film about opposite. So like a force awakens to me was like an echo of the original Star Wars whereas Bladerunner 25 2014 9 is the opposite of blade runner in the sense that like, you know Deckard as Blade Runner falls in love with the Femme Fatale who in the original but in 2040 9 the Femme Fatale is the enemy, you know what I mean?

Kev (10m 28s): One level of inception

Chad (10m 29s): deep. Yeah. Well, I was just talking to her about it and it seems like a really interesting thing because like you've got the antagonist dying at the end of the first one and then this one the protagonist dies at the end and they both died with like something white, you know what I mean? And like, Dr. Tyrell is benevolent Creator and then I and Nyander Wallace is like a failed creator. The guy can't make Replicants bear children, you know what I mean? So he's all butt hurt that he can't do what Tyrell did so like every major plot point of the original is kind of flipped on its head. Wow, and it makes it a super interesting and intriguing kind of approach to the film. So I thought that was a really smart way to attack the story without like Reinventing something whole all awful cloth

Kev (11m 8s): that's deep man. Yeah. Like I said Inception deep my god, dude. Sorry about that. Seriously, though. I think I was gonna wow. That was a really really great thought. Yeah, you're right and that's what makes this such a great film and I'm not surprised. You clean that from that. I mean I didn't pick up on a bended neither obviously, but you know Hampton Fancher wrote the story and I was just thinking of something else to say. This is a pretty nice little nugget. Is it, you know the opening of the movie I actually walked into it like just a couple of minutes late. I don't know exactly what I missed. But you know when he when he walks into The Farmhouse that was actually in his original draft for the first film. Oh really? Yeah, which I think is very cool because when I walked in and I sat down and I started watching it and you know, you walk into the Farmhouse and there's nothing there and it's dark and it's like kind of Dusty and there's just this pot on the stove and the pot is boiling and if you watch, you know, I have like the ultimate nerd edition of the Final Cut of Blade Runner so it came with it. I don't know if you guys watch the documentary dangerous days the making of Blade Runner, it's three hours long. No it is so Great to watch because it just talks about every single aspect of how that film was made. And when Hampton Fancher is talking about the script that he talks about how in his original draft. That's what it was you walk in this dark sort of Dusty farmhouse in the middle of nowhere this desolate sort of wasteland and there's this pot boiling on the stove and this big guy and that's exactly I think he just took that and reused it for this film and I'm glad he did because it was

Chad (12m 55s): great. Yeah. It was so good. That's a great

Kev (12m 57s): scene. I just thought that was

Chad (12m 58s): interesting the casting was so awesome for what's his name to like the David to dude from Bautista. It is so good. I loved

Kev (13m 6s): it. Like I just so perfect. What would I don't know what he used to be but he is become just like a really great actor. I mean, he's not Al Pacino, but I mean, he's really

Chad (13m 17s): he's pulled a rock though. He's definitely done with the rock. Did

Kev (13m 20s): he sort of Switched genres? Yeah. He's not just a muscle-bound like action guy either like he's gonna definitely got some chops.

Chad (13m 29s): You know he was funny as hell in the other one... Guardians. Yeah

Ben (13m 32s): Guardians of the Galaxy in an amazing. Yes. So good. hysterically funny. Oh good. That's one thing about the this new film that I really enjoyed was that it opened the world, you know, it opened the world up or you know back in the you know, if you're going back to like the Philip K dick novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, you know, you are talking about this world that's kind of, you know, underpopulated and Abandoned and you know, you didn't really see that in the original Blade Runner at all. Pretty much took place in the city. So moving out into these sort of desolate areas and opening the world up, you know, like whereas whereas the first movie was, you know, claustrophobic, you know, you kind

Kev (14m 15s): of felt claustrophobic a little bit

Chad (14m 17s): like you were just

Kev (14m 19s): in that one

Chad (14m 19s): area you get to see these kind of different places in that world, you know this desolate sort of wasteland. I thought that was really cool. And I think I thought it did it in a way that it didn't overdo it. You know what I know. It wasn't

Kev (14m 34s): like definitely not

Chad (14m 36s): it wasn't it wasn't crazy. It just kind of opened things up a little bit just kind of gave you a little bit of a wider lens to view that world through and I thought that was

Kev (14m 44s): really you know, it's funny that you say that been because I really like I was listening to you say that and is I recalled the book the book is really more like the second film then the first film certainly in terms of locales. I mean, I remember in the book it being it open it opens and it's out in the Wasteland, you know what I mean? It's and a lot of the locales are like that. It's not all like you said in the claustrophobic City. So I really think this one this one almost sort of Drawers off the original maybe a little bit more. I don't know. What do you think?

Chad (15m 23s): Yeah, because if the original Blade Runner doesn't really pull from the book terribly much like there's the owl in the original movie that hearkens to like the fact that the animals are the major plot point in the original book, but it's been a long time since I read the

Kev (15m 36s): book. It's been a it's been I think I read it in 2009-2010 that winter but yeah II feel like they were almost just pulling plat points and ideas off of the book when they made the original film this one. I think there's maybe even more of those themes from the book are in there. Which again I think is kind of cool.

Chad (15m 58s): I thought like visually to like he kept like, I don't know whether it was only the director of whether it was the DP as well as the Director but like they kept a lid on the openness, you know, like they would have like a smog or rain or nighttime. So like the space was larger than just like a city block, but it wasn't like, you know. Distant Vistas and Horizons, like it kind of still kept some of the claustrophobia with some of the atmospheric stuff, which I thought was great

Kev (16m 25s): too. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was like it was like you're sort of saying how they were able to add claustrophobia even in an open

Chad (16m 33s): space. Yeah.

Kev (16m 34s): Exactly. Yeah, like when they went to Vegas. Yeah,

Chad (16m 36s): totally how awesome was that scene in that when he first kind of gets out into the waste district and gets like shot down and then he's like confronted by a hundred people and all of a sudden like orbital Weaponry starts dropping and it's just like fire again fire again 200 feet to the east stop fire is just like holy shit. That's so amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that part was so amazing you getting her fucking nails done by this dude, and she's just like fire can fire again. It's like fog, I love this movie.

Kev (17m 7s): Yeah, that was really that was really a good scene. And and the way he took all of those people down. It came sort of came up after him after he crashed was Intense so, you know, it was sort of exaggerated, you know, it's like a slower-paced film. You know, it has that sort of Johnny Cash thing going on. It's like what did they say about Johnny Cash He was smooth like a something steady like a freight train, you know, and it chugs along like that but it's accentuated by these these high points these little bursts of action like that. I thought they were really really cool to see you know that

Chad (17m 42s): the did you guys see how was that one the that recent war movie that takes place on the beach

Kev (17m 49s): Dunkirk Dunkirk now, I didn't see it.

Chad (17m 52s): No, but it regardless of that like the whole kind of film like ratchets the tension up over and over and over and over like through various mechanisms. And like I think just like what you're saying where there's like little moments of like Delight in sense of like action, but there's also like little moments of humor that kind of like pop the bubble of tension. So like the movie doesn't just get more and more tense and like all this is getting more serious. Like they just it's just like kind of that like, Jackson Lord of the Rings style like little moments of ridiculousness just to kind of like pull it back down a bit. I thought they did a really good job of balancing like action and then balancing humor so that it wasn't just like one thing the whole way

Kev (18m 31s): through they did a really good job of that and it just again added to the overall, you know juiciness of the experience, you know, do you guys want to talk about can we talk about the sound for a second totally sure are a minute or whatever I really was, you know in the sort of the back of my head or one part of my head was trying to log and really pay attention to the sound that was going on while that film was playing and I really think I mean we're starting to sound like a bunch of total Fanboys here, but the the sound was perfect in that movie the music was, you know, it had that like sort of somewhat of an homage to Vangelis, but it had Own flavor and it was beautiful in the way. He used negative space in the music, you know, like not having music or just going very minimal and using you know, just a couple of simple instruments in certain parts or keeping it very low in certain parts and it really just accentuated the action in the film whether it was fast or slow perfectly. I thought I could I couldn't get it. Yeah, I couldn't get enough of it. And then when I when I would sort of like really notice the sound or the music and I'm talking about both the sound and the music is the sound was great to in terms of sound effects and all that stuff. But when I really really noticed the music I was just like wow, that's really great. You know, really really did a good job with

Chad (20m 6s): it. I can't wait until I can so I can watch this again because I'm going to be us musician. I almost I didn't it's probably a good thing that I Really notice the music - probably the best compliment like you said that musician can give to a film though or something like that. Yeah. I mean, I mean sometimes a film score can be can be you know, like it gets stuck in your head and you really love it. But sometimes it just drives the movie and it's they're sort of in the background

Kev (20m 39s): as a part of the entire experience

Chad (20m 42s): and I want to I want to go with saying that's what it must have been for me because God I want to watch it again now because I and pay attention to that aspect because I didn't pay attention to that aspect. It just was there, you know, so I imagine that it must be really good. If if I can't even think about it at this point like I have no recollection. I have no recollection of the music at all.

Kev (21m 10s): And that's a good point man. And I yeah, I'm sort of, you know playing into what Ben was saying like, there's so much happening in a

Ben (21m 18s): I'm

Kev (21m 18s): like that where it's that good in the quality of the film all the way around is so good. There's so many great things happening. You can't possibly absorb all of it. You know, I mean, of course your mind is recording every single minute detail, but what you're actually able to focus on with your conscious mind is, you know, only certain things the story The acting that's right in front of you whatever and so like then says it's like, you know your you might even miss the whole thing, you know, you wouldn't have noticed the soundtrack unless it was bad, you know or something like that. So yeah, that's a good

Chad (21m 52s): point. Yeah. It's probably sounds like like like a taken a nasty day get whoever did the film score and I I'm not prepared and I don't know who did it, but that's not the case at

Kev (22m 7s): all. But I get totally what you're saying.

Chad (22m 9s): I'm sure it was I'm sure it was really good and that's but it's just strange that I don't remember it. Yeah.

Kev (22m 15s): No, I don't think that's strange. I think that that's in some ways. Any out like a really good compliment towards the film and it was actually it was hands Hans Zimmer that did the soundtrack. He did this he did with the score with a guy named. I want to say Johan Johansson and they did it as a collaboration. There

Chad (22m 35s): was the I wrote it down the dudes like Benjamin wall fish or something. So similar to a Johan Johansson. Yeah, really similar Johan

Kev (22m 45s): I was going to say that sounds like Johan but yeah, he it was a collaboration. They actually had somebody that came in to do the music on it. And then he wanted his rapper something. I yeah, I think you're right. But whoever it was, he's he ultimately I think the director decided that he wanted to go sort of back to something more along the lines of what Vangelis it done in the original and that's why they pulled in Hans Zimmer and this Benjamin Johansson guy.

Chad (23m 14s): I'm glad that they did though because like similar to the fact that it was going to be really Hard to maybe not top the original but even come close to equaling the original film. It was also going to be really hard to top or equal the original soundtrack like the fact that they were able to do both reasonably. Well, I think is Testament to the overall film and if it was like some weird like, you know Will Smith style frickin Wild Wild West soundtrack it would have totally just knocked it down like four notches. Yeah. He had

Kev (23m 42s): definitely had how could you even suggest something like that my God,

Chad (23m 47s): I don't want to go on about the soundtrack forever though, but it's odd that I don't have any recollection because the soundtrack from the first show was really like a huge. It's really a huge part of it for me, you know, like it was and I think it was a huge part of the movie really so fuck man God I got to see it again because I mean I saw this right right when I came out more or less. So and then I think Chad you saw it probably like I saw within a few days of it coming out and then and then I went and sought again, maybe two or three weeks after that in the theater and then move a version of it fell off of a truck and I watched it yesterday just to refresh.

Kev (24m 34s): Oh my God.

Chad (24m 34s): But it was a terrible version.

Kev (24m 38s): Wow, those trucks man. I tell you what was it like one of those is

Chad (24m 41s): it was lucky. I was just standing there and it's like Spanish version the 20 minutes of the movie cut out of it fell off the back of the truck and I

Kev (24m 48s): was it was the truck like a was it one of those Australian road trains, you know that deliver, you know, like the Yeah Yeah with a pirate's triple stacked 18-wheelers that delivers stuff like

Chad (24m 59s): it's like kangaroo carcasses all over the floor jack was kind of like Mad Max the the most recent Mad Max everyone's painted silver. It was

Kev (25m 6s): great Fury Road. Yeah.

Chad (25m 8s): Wow did was the guy who like driving the truck like with his head out the window like just spraying chrome paint onto his mouth, but pretty much he's all the

Kev (25m 17s): weight. Waiting to get into Valhalla

Chad (25m 23s): on I would love to talk about Joy a bit the holographic girlfriend.

Kev (25m 29s): Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes do go go go. Let's talk about

Chad (25m 32s): that. I just loved I just thought it was like from like a film making direction or like I don't know what you would call it send him cinematography perspective. I love that. They like must have shot it separate where they weren't touching. So like the actors never really touch and there's no interface and they're always like off a little bit when they try and kind of interact K and joy, I thought that like really makes it super. I don't know. I just added so much depth to the interactions in the relationship. I thought that was super cool and like I like how her introduction she's like spinning around and changing costumes and like acting all weird and it like really establishes it quickly without they're needing to be like a voice over of like explaining what's happening or whatever. Yes, right. Yeah you You're confused for a moment. And then you get it. Oh, okay. She's a projection and then that get one point. She's like there's like some like jazz song On and she's like did you know this was like such and such records in 1927 and was number one on the billboard charts and you're like, yeah. Thanks Siri. Shut the fuck up really cellphone. Oh,

Kev (26m 37s): yeah. That was it's

Chad (26m 39s): like the was like subtle little

Kev (26m 40s): tweaks. You know, it's funny about that part. Was that character really? I was very dismissive of it. At first I was like, oh this is just some sort of like, you know eye candy that sort of fills out and fleshes out the world that they live in but you know, it's like it was interesting how they developed that character from what is seemingly just a simple like, you know entertainment hologram into very integral part of the story. Even to the point where he clearly you know has this it's tough to say emotional. I mean because you know do Replicants feel things for real or not. But you know, he clearly has this emotional connection to her and it's evident, you know towards the end when she ultimately parishes, you know,

Chad (27m 35s): yeah what I wanted to talk about kind of touch on was and I'm I could be really foggy here, but I want to say, you know as a point later in the movie where he sort of re encounters the you know, I don't know if it's an advertisement for yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the giant billboard advertising Joy, you know any kind of seems like it seems to me like he's feeling like the whole thing was just you know, sort of like a cosmic joke like, you know, like like he was Absolutely, really in love with her but then he encounters the the the

Kev (28m 12s): advertisement and he sort of

Chad (28m 14s): is that is that is that a thing or am I just imagining? Yeah. No, I totally because at one point like at one point when it's kind of like is he the chosen one kind of thing? She's like you are important you are a real boy, and she you need to have a real name like Joe and she's like, you're Jo you're Jo and he's like stop saying that stop saying that and then he runs into the giant billboard after she gets killed or whatever and he comes down. He's like, you're a real good Joe, you know, yeah, totally yeah makes it you question whether it's a legit thing or not. Totally. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like a kind of feels like it's a potential theme through the film regardless of specific characters. But in relation to Joy is Joy just an AI that's really good at simulating a relationship with whoever the owner is in this case k, or is it a real thing like does she because like, he's the quote unquote chosen one and all this shits going Own like is she actually getting feelings for him as an AI or is it just really good simulation? And I think that last little point that you may have been is like seems like the director trying to pose that question sure. And I mean really what what's the difference right fair enough if she's if she's really good at simulating caring about somebody and you feel cared for or there, you know sacrificing themselves for someone what's the difference and I think that that's great because like the same thing can be said about Replicants versus Humans where I was like Replicants are second-class citizens and they're like, fuck you skin job in the movie and like super racist and stuff or whatever term you would use but if they're able to Bear children in this film, Then what is the difference? Is there a soul as there no soul. So let it kind of is like another layer to that. You know, we're like two to a human a Replicant is subhuman and it's not a real. It's an object. It's a it's a thing not a person and then and then I just really liked how like The Prostitute Replicant at one point when she's talking to K like at that like Cafe and like the chime from Joy's little like, you know, mobile phone thing goes off and he's like, oh you don't like real girls do you you know, and so like the Replicants consider Joy like a third-class citizen. So it's interesting that like the Replicants kind of adopt the racist attitudes of the humans by like looking down on joy as a hologram, you know, but like you said watch the different.

Kev (30m 49s): Yeah. What is the difference? Here's what I'll say about that. It's regardless of whether she is or isn't her relationship with Kay. Melissa did an emotional response in me not to sound like super Voight-Kamphy here. But whatever. No, I it's exactly how I felt. Like I was feeling that you know what I mean? I was I was watching it. I was like, she like loves him like I couldn't stop thinking that you know what I mean? I was like she loves him and he has this like affinity for her as well and it was palpable man. I I could feel it. It was it was something it was a part of the dynamic in the story take it or leave it man, you know, maybe people think that that's totally cornball but I was totally feeling that so I mean in yes, I think it adds an absolutely adds another layer to the story. It's like what is real? I don't think it is cornball. I think it's you know,

Chad (31m 52s): what is reality but what you perceive to be anyways, you know, I mean as a human being like, you know, what you perceive. To be real is real. I mean, I mean, of course, you know, it could get confusing with something like that. But honestly, I mean, you know, the question of does she love him or is it just a simulation of loving him while I don't know

Kev (32m 16s): what's what's the difference? You know, what would be the difference between a perfectly simulated reality and real reality? Would you be able to tell the difference of course not so I can't say that I could do ya so I can't say that I

Chad (32m 29s): would yeah, I mean it's that's a deep deep seated sort of concept in the Blade Runner movies right is you know, what is it to be

Kev (32m 41s): human and you know

Chad (32m 43s): what actually is reality

Kev (32m 45s): and sort of bending and and playing with that idea.

Chad (32m 50s): So it's I think it's a great addition to the franchise. Yeah, totally and then like you get like Kay's interaction with with the police chief who we called Madam which I think is Great touch but like same kind of thing where she basically is like you need to go kill the child and dotted and he's like I didn't know I could and he's like hesitates and he's like, I've never killed anything that was born before. She's like are you saying no and he's like, I didn't think that was an option. It's a good boy, you know, and then he's like concerned about having a soul and she's like you've been doing just fine without one. He's like without what without a soul, you know, like it totally plays on that original Blade Runner

Kev (33m 28s): and I just have to point out too quickly that the chief was played by Robin Wright Penn who just push guys she pops up everywhere small role large role. She just lays it man. She can just choose scenery. I mean, she's so good and house of cards. I don't know if you guys have seen that on Netflix, but that's a great show. She was in Wonder Woman in a supporting role as like the warrior trainer. I mean, she was great and she was greatness to

Chad (33m 57s): an awesome job. There's one scene in This Blade Runner film with her and him that I thought was so great that kind of like touches on how Replicants are treated like objects and like second-class citizens were like she asks him to share a memory and he's like, I don't know and she's like, well, it's an order, you know, he's like, okay and he shares that it the first time he shares that like wooden horse in the factory being chased memory. And so he's telling his memory and like she's like drinking his booze and and he comes out of the flashback memory and she's kind of like a little bit starry-eyed and like, oh that was really sweet and then kind of like insinuates that she wants to bang and she's like, oh what happens if I finish this bottle and he's kind of like shouldn't you be getting back to work and she's like, yeah, right. So like she what I perceived him as like a sexual object as opposed to like, you know, an interaction between two equals and I thought that was really interesting.

Kev (34m 57s): Wow. I did not pick that up at all. So you just oh my god. Wow. Okay. Yeah. No, I didn't get that. I wasn't picking up any sexual vibe in that scene. But yeah, you're probably right. I'm thinking about it right now. That was yeah.

Chad (35m 14s): Okay. Yeah after watch it again, man your

Kev (35m 18s): yeah. I know me too God I'm a we didn't all

Chad (35m 21s): it's just a little hints. Like that's only because I watched it yesterday for like the third

Kev (35m 24s): time. Well, yeah, it's only because you had a van drive by yesterday just have random copy of the film just drunk dropped out onto the street. I mean, we don't all have those vans just driving by our

Chad (35m 35s): house man. It's let's just yeah dumb luck, you know, bye but you're supposed to turn. I don't know. How was work in Australia buddy, but you're supposed to turn that cop all I did. Yeah. I mailed that shit in I'm sure you did great. You could Citizen and all I just wanted to check that. It was a legitimate copy before I mailed it. I didn't want to waste anybody's time, you know? Yeah. Sure. Yeah, of course, of course and then once you start, you know, how can you stop by exactly?

Kev (36m 1s): You didn't want to make

Chad (36m 3s): wanted to make sure

Kev (36m 3s): there was no malfeasance.

Chad (36m 7s): And how about how about the joyed to the Joy death were like the antagonist Femme Fatale love and I under Wallace is kind of right-hand person. So like the first time that she and and K interact in the office is interesting and towards the end like the joy little wand thing Chimes and she's like, oh, I hope you liked our product and then at the end like she's like smashes it with her foot and and then circles back and says it again, you know says like I really hope you're satisfied with our product and then just like crushes her teeth out. So they call my God.

Kev (36m 45s): Yeah. She was a great character to um, really this whole film was populated by excellent. Excellent actors. Yeah. That was a great part. And again, I was really crushed when Joy the

Chad (36m 59s): died like in the Of saying I love you. She's literally like crushed out of existence and then like a knife to the side. She's just kind of like I hope you liked our product like, ah, man, that's

Kev (37m 10s): cold man. Right but not only that she's in she's saying it in the process of saying I love you. She's being crushed by somebody named love

Chad (37m 20s): who then says like then the coldest way possible that you're just a products just like so many layers of like, holy shit. Yeah.

Kev (37m 28s): I how many layers of holy shit. Is that folks? Can you count the

Chad (37m 34s): layers quite a few? Yeah. I mean, you know naming those characters joy and love are I don't think they're happenstance so good this add those onion layers to that whole thing, you know, and I just like I enjoyed so much how how love is like the coldest kind of character like has so little emotion and it gets like really angry and like You know actually aggressive when Wallace isn't around but when Wallace is around she's like really like closed in and stuff but then like the scene like where she kills the police chief or whatever when he kills mad at when she kills Madam. She's got like tears rolling down her cheek as she screams. Like she's so sad that she has to kill you know, it's like I'm like

Kev (38m 20s): God. Yeah. Yeah, but she's a stone-cold killer bitch man to in that you know what I mean? Like really Stone

Chad (38m 28s): Cold. She's definitely like a she's definitely like a soldier to Wallace, you know, like Wallace is such a I don't know. He's like, it's really interesting that they chose Jared Leto as well because I don't know if any of this is true or not. I haven't really looked into it. But my understanding is Leto is quite a quite a fucked-up person in real life in terms of how he treats women and like could potentially be like one of the people that are being discussed, you know, like it wouldn't surprise me if it jumps out like sexual misconduct and stuff and so like to have him as like the MIT person who objectifies and treats humans and women like shit like I think was a maybe not an intentional casting but it adds like some reality to it and he's such like an aggressive and vicious and kind of evil and egotistical kind of like Tech Titan and his minion is this female Android love that like is like the soldier is like the the muscle I thought was really well-crafted in terms of characters

Kev (39m 29s): agreed. Absolutely agreed. Yeah. Yeah, that's well said yeah, all of the characters were really well fleshed out. You know and like I said a second ago, the acting was superb Chad what he had. Did you have another little nugget that we were talking about in The Green Room and our pre-show warm-up. I can't remember. What was that?

Chad (39m 48s): Yeah, it might be worth getting into some of the stuff that we didn't like about the film or whatever but there are two scenes that I didn't like and we can get back to in terms of chronology, but one thing that I wasn't sure if I liked the first time I saw it was the scene where Rachel comes back and like confronts old Deckard as like a Temptation. Yeah. And the reason I wasn't sure if I liked it or not is because it immediately followed a scene that I really didn't like that we can Circle back to like the thing that knocked the movie down a couple of pegs. The movie was a 9 out of 10 for me. I wasn't willing to give it a 10 out of 10 just because like I feel like a 10 out of 10 is reserved for like the best films of all time kind of thing. Like it's really has to be special and I don't think that there's anything that this movie could ever have done to equal the original. Like it would always be like one millimeter less at the absolute best. You know what I mean?

Kev (40m 39s): Fair enough. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.

Chad (40m 40s): Absolutely. I that rationale the best it could ever achieve according to me is a 9 out of 10 and it was a 9 out of 10 for act 1 it was a 9 out of 10 for Act 2 and the transition from Act 2 act 3 it dropped significantly for me with five words. Well, and those five words were and were building an army when he's in that like wet space and that like Frieza woman the like woman that helped birth the baby comes and she's like a revolution is coming and I want to free our people and all that kind of stuff and then she says and we're building an army it just like for whatever reason the way that it was the scene was shot and it just pulled me right out of the film it like the it just like shattered the illusion of the entire film and all of what it had worked to build up for me and pulled me out and I was like, what the fuck? Wow God damn it. Why did you do that? Why did you say that and it took me like 15 minutes after that to kind of Get back into the film but I was so like upset with how it like was super obvious that it just completely screwed with my ability to process the film at that point. And when I went back the second time and watched it a second time. I was I really wanted to pay attention to see like whether it really did knock it back a bunch for me or whether I just had a weird reaction because it surprised me so much the first time and the second time I watch the film I recognize that it wasn't as bad as I had originally thought. Okay, but like it was amazing to me that like just five words could like shatter the illusion so much for me and if like that literally that two seconds was cut out in like a fan edit and when the DVD comes out, it would be a 9 or a 9 and a half out of ten still. Wow, so I don't know why but it just really rubbed me the wrong way and then the immediate scene following that was the one with Rachel so I was confused as to whether it was my residue of being upset or whether that seemed bothered me. But why what but I want to I want to hear a deeper explanation for why those five words bummed you out so much. Yeah. So so the scene is K whose now known as Joe being told he's not the chosen one, which is like was great. It was a great little subtle twist and like it totally turned the hero's journey on its head and you're like, oh wow. Okay, that's interesting and I suppose it's not like, you know, I see dead people like twist like it isn't like earth-shattering but it was a nice little subtle twist and it bothers me sometimes in films when something is over explained and so like they took a situation where there's a group of actors, they're talking and it's a group of the quote-unquote resistance basically saying like we're trying to protect this Lost Child and you're not that lost child and we all thought we were that lost child to because we all share the memories and that's okay, but we need a reason It's okay to not be the chosen one because we all need a reason that's good enough to die for and like that was the purpose of the scene and everything around those five words communicated that but when she says end were building an army. It's like well no shit. You're building a fucking Army no shit, you're trying to resist like don't beat me over the head with the super obvious stuff and like the and we're building an army is kind of like it's smacked of like a studio exec coming in and being like we need to sprinkle in a little bit of like hinting at a sequel here or like we're going to make another movie and I don't know if that was the purpose or not, but it just like it's fact of that. That's what I was that's what I was going to say. That's totally what the purpose was. I think that's absolutely what the purpose was. It's so it's just a little like shit born sort of Easter egg about like, yeah, the next one's going to be Blade Runner 2055 revenge of the Replicants. And that would be awful. Absolutely and and maybe maybe maybe it's like PTSD from Matrix Revelation or whatever. We're like the whole, you know, like the original Matrix comes out and you're like wow, that's great. And on the second and third one come out like however many years later and you're so pumped and then it's like the most disappointing pile of shit in the face of the Earth. You know what I mean? Like, I don't need you to beat me over the head with and we're building an army and when I watched it the first time I thought that the whole scene bothered me, but it turns out when I watched it the second time it was just one fucking sentence. Yeah that if it had been removed could have like kept the film at like a ten out of ten or nine out of ten one. I found it interesting that a two second thing can destroy a movie and to I found interesting that it was a two second thing and it wasn't like the whole scene. So I was really conscious to find out what could be cut out in that second viewing to try and remove it but does that explain a little bit of why that bit frustrated me

Kev (45m 30s): it completely

Chad (45m 31s): explains it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I just wanted I just I just wanted you to know I get it, you know, like I'm with you there but I just I just felt asking the question would clarify it for listeners and the yeah and just just for the sake of like a little bit more specifics the actual line in the film because I watched it like while I was eating breakfast this morning to try and figure out exactly what it was was like she tells the whole thing. You're not the chosen one that she says A revolution is coming pause and we're building an army pause. I want a free our people and we need a reason to die or whatever and it's just like those are the exact words and those five words could be cut out of the middle and it would have just been A revolution is coming and I want to free our people and it was like yeah cool. Yep. I'm in but instead just that one little bit, you know, and it was just really interesting. Okay. Wow, so I don't mean to be get super angry angry and have a rant about it. But like it was just really knocked it back for me. No that's good. So then to go back to the original kind of It was one of the following scenes in the next couple of minutes which basically starts the third Act of the film is he's not the chosen one da da da and then it goes to Deckard being a captive in Wallace's layer and being tempted by Rachel and so like I think that as a plot device that's really interesting but similar to the use of Princess Leia digitally in in Whatchamacallit the what was the more recent Star

Kev (47m 4s): Wars the Rogue

Chad (47m 5s): one Rogue one. Yeah. So like just like in Rogue one you walk into the room at the end of the film and it's the back of Princess Leia as a young woman and you're like, yes, and then it goes to her face and you're like, no. I just feel like my that uncanny valley just isn't there and I didn't think it was necessary for Rachel to have you know, any speaking lines where you're looking at her face. This film like it could have been done just as well from the side or obscured slightly, so it wasn't such an uncanny valley moment. I agree. And that kind of bothered me a little bit too, but it directly followed the shitty. We're building an army scene. Yeah, I mean for something for something that sort of you know, powerful and dramatic. I think I think that's, you know, kind of a shitty used to that, you know, like in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 where they do like young Kurt Russell at the beginning like that's fine, you know, like no big deal and you

Kev (48m 8s): know in Rogue one.

Chad (48m 9s): Yeah, I totally get it could have just shown the back of her head didn't have to you know do that. But yeah and this particular case, I'll agree with you. I think it's it's I mean, it's really fucking close but still it's still just the uncounted only thing it is not quite there. It's not quite there. It's really close though. It was very close shit. I don't know

Kev (48m 32s): man. I didn't like when I say when she walked up I was like what is going on here? I was like she does not look I know. Do exactly what they were trying to do. I knew I knew they were Rogue wanting that shit and I was like she does not look like Sean Young. I'm sorry. She just didn't and it didn't end. Okay. So earlier in the episode we talked about, you know, what makes it a night. I said, I can't remember anything that really made me think that this is a bad movie, but you just made me remember the one thing that I wasn't crazy about and it was

Chad (49m 9s): that just a little thing. But

Kev (49m 11s): yeah, well it was a big thing because you're talking about like it's a major plot point and you know having her, you know, sort of resurrected through, you know, this Rogue one facial mapping shit, whatever the hell you want to call it. I don't know I wasn't thinking it I don't I thought the Carrie Fisher 1 was solid like that one looked like Carrie Fisher. I mean this one did not look like Sean Young at all and I'm not trying to bash on the actress that did it. A tough role to take but I didn't I wasn't feeling it I appreciated what they were trying to do in the scene, but I didn't think it worked as well as they wanted it to ya but I gotta

Chad (49m 52s): see it again. I think it's clear that the director felt that it was worth the risk to tell the specific part of that scene and like who knows I think any one of us might have made the same decision of like fuck it. It's so important to tell the story in this particular way that it's worth that risk, right? Whereas it wasn't worth the risk in Rogue one for me. Just write it in Rogue one. It was literally fan service of like her like giving a bit of a wink to the camera and you being like, yeah childhood whereas this is like actually was a bit of a legitimate plot device, especially where like Deckard's like her eyes were green and then love immediately shoots her in the fucking side of the head like it was a powerful scene. There's one thing in the seen prior to her being introduced and all the CGI that circling back to What you are asking originally the second question I had in the Green Room was Wallace says to him basically like Wallace has to Decker. Like do you think you were really in love with her or was this all just a setup by Terrell's for you to impregnate her like so similar to is joy, and I that simulating or is it real is was Rachel sent by Tyrell to seduce Deckard and impregnate her or was their relationship real and I suppose been the same answer you gave is probably applicable but I'm just curious you guys thoughts on that one. Yeah, here's I'm going to answer a question with a question is Deckard a simulant. Yeah. I thought that it was clear in this one that They took the Final Cut of him being a Replicant. But the more I think about it the more I realized they left it intentionally somewhat vague in this one as well, which I kind of enjoyed. Yeah, they left it vague. Yes. They didn't answer the question. I don't think I didn't pick that up until until you know recently but I like that it's vague. Here's another question. Does it matter? Yeah. I think it mattered. Like does it really matter? Whether rep right there? He's a Republican or not. I mean, I think the reason why people freak out so much about the first movie and the multiple Cuts about whether he's a Replicant or not matters because let's be honest everyone that were that's whinging about it is is a dude and they're all identifying with Deckard, you know, so like right, you know as a young man or a boy watching this you identify with the hero and the you don't want the hero to be fake I guess. So like that's I think why there's a lot of people getting grumpy about it. But if you remove all that image, you are bullshit like you're right. Doesn't matter no. Well, I mean good Lord. I don't want to I don't want to like a shed or anybody's brain here. But you know tomorrow our creators could come forward and say yeah, you're replicating all of your memories are fake. You were made last Thursday, you know,

Kev (52m 40s): right like yeah, that's true.

Chad (52m 43s): You wouldn't know the difference, you know, so I've always kind of been like on the side of the Replicants. I don't feel like there's second-rate citizens out there just like I mean, they would early are people I mean, they're not robots their biological. Yeah their biological they're clones or you know, whatever but

Kev (53m 4s): their bio biobots. Yeah. They're they're they're

Chad (53m 8s): biologically human. They're just created an implanted with memories. That's really the only difference between them and us so yeah. I just want to say this really matter to me because they could tell me the same thing tomorrow and I wouldn't have known that it was You know that it was all false. Yeah, I would feel like it was just as real. Yeah, but in the first and the first film like it's particularly cruel when Deckard tell Sean Young Rachel that like her spider memory is fake and you know, she gets upset and like cries when she realized that she's a Replicant, you know, like it's a quite a vicious thing that he does to her. Totally. Yeah, the the whole one thing about the the first movie that kind of rubs me the wrong way is the

Kev (53m 52s): relationship between Deckard and Rachel on

Chad (53m 55s): the fact that he rapes her is pretty much a thing he kind of yeah, I

Kev (53m 60s): mean that the

Chad (54m 3s): I don't know if I want to call it rape but but kind of yeah, I mean pseudo it pseudo rapey. How's that sound? Yeah. It's

Kev (54m 11s): it's rapey. It's weird. You know that, you know, we're he's he

Chad (54m 17s): yeah, absolutely. I don't need

Kev (54m 18s): everybody's seen the movie. I hope so,

Chad (54m 21s): I don't have to go back into it. But yeah.

Kev (54m 23s): This just in

Chad (54m 24s): general their relationship. Yes. It's strange. It's a bit off-putting. I mean I get it. It's kind of harkening back to those that sort of like, you know

Kev (54m 34s): Film Noir

Chad (54m 36s): detective story kind of thing. Yeah like but but still it's a bit

Kev (54m 41s): off-putting. Wow,

Chad (54m 43s): Kev. I interrupted you a minute ago what you're going to chime in there

Kev (54m 46s): me, you know, the only thing I was going to say to what you just said is I'm like listening to you and I'm not going to comment because Ben pretty much said it all and you pretty much said it all

Chad (54m 58s): I got one more mind-blower for you then

Kev (55m 1s): I don't that's going to literally kill me. So, don't do that.

Chad (55m 4s): No, I got one. I got one. This isn't mine. This is something I think I heard or read but I go ahead Nyander Wallace the tech titan, right? So he's the scene where he has that Replicant in the room with love and he's Like slices or womb open and he has that big like monologue. That's so creepy. Yeah, but somebody wrote something about it where it was kind of talking about how he he like viciously slices this newborn Replicant because he can't create so he hasn't been able to create new life. So to speak or be a Creator whereas Terrell obviously was able to successfully be a Creator by creating Rachel who gave birth and he's talking about how I'm trying to find I wrote it down somewhere the space between the stars and he's talking about like the baron the baron. Just give me a second a second find this damn thing

Kev (56m 7s): my God. I wish somebody would drive around in a van in my neighborhood that I can pick up a copy of this

Chad (56m 12s): movie.

Kev (56m 16s): That's what I want because like he's he's like literally checking the film right now, and we're just in bed and In a month ago more than that, you know, I just watched it like a week ago and I'm still like I don't even remember any of that.

Chad (56m 31s): Here we go. So so I found that bit, so Wallace is standing there with a scalpel and his face being a creeper with his cataracts and he says like that Barren pasture empty insulted the Dead Space Between the stars and then he talks about how no matter how many Replicants that his company makes they can't make enough to like populate the you know the stars because it's just literally not possible to manufacture them. So if he can if he can become a Creator if he can find a way for them to be able to replicate and and give birth then he will literally be like the Johnny Appleseed of the universe and he currently is so like proud of the fact that he's been able to like populate nine planets, but he wants to be like he almost like has like that God complex where he wants to be a Creator on the scale. Of like a god but he can't do it and he just like slices this this woman open just through the sheer anger that he hasn't been able to solve the problem. That was already solved by the guy that's dead Terrell and I just thought that was a really interesting kind of like meta themed the whole thing or like this this egotistical dickhead is just trying to do things for his own ego and as a result sets in motion all of this crazy

Kev (57m 49s): shit fair enough, but I think that he but look as soon as they okay if they are able to replicate and they he sends them out okay to populate these planets and they start replicating and by that procreating there really no longer Replicants man. There's just like humans crab mean. It just it's almost a non non issue because they immediately change classification once they start doing that and then

Chad (58m 22s): they become more human.

Kev (58m 23s): And then human they're just like

Chad (58m 26s): our human than human Chad. Yeah great albums, but they say that is our motto

Kev (58m 32s): here more human than

Chad (58m 34s): human. Well, that's where it comes from the statement more human than human comes from Blade Runner. Wait. What? Is that? True? Yeah. Was that Roy?

Kev (58m 44s): No, it was Tyrell Tyrell. Yeah. Okay, and if you can tell me the name the actor's name the plate or LL give you a

Chad (58m 50s): dollar now though. I am bonus dollar. It's not Roy Scheider.

Kev (58m 55s): No

Chad (58m 58s): could be is I could be as strange older brother. But yeah, it kind of looks like Roy Scheider there

Kev (59m 3s): right does he was he was still he was so loud. When the Final Cut came out

Chad (59m 8s): what you guys think of like future Vegas and kind of the last 20-30 minutes the film. I thought that again opening up of the world, you know, and still keeping it claustrophobic. There's like massive sand storms going on so you can't really see. Anything but I like that part of those cool that like Elvis e hologram scene was quite good. Yeah. Absolutely. I like this song like punching the shit out of you. Like I like this song. I stopped going to get a drink.

Kev (59m 36s): Yeah. That was that was good. Yeah. I know I quite enjoyed that section at the movie.

Chad (59m 41s): Yeah, so Chad, maybe you can help me out here at the the character that actually turns out to be Decker's kid. That's the girl that's in the bubble. What was the character's name? I can't remember. I'll look it up. It was like a it was like, Dr. Something. Do we ever

Kev (59m 60s): know? Look at look it up on your database. I want to say Dr. Saline or something like

Chad (1h 0m 5s): that. It was saline. Yeah, Celine. Okay, slowly. Anyways, I wanted to be selling stolen. Dr. Anna's delighted to be on point there, but I wasn't and I'm still not I saw that I saw that coming did you?

Kev (1h 0m 19s): Yeah, I think yeah, I think it's funny to me that. It's funny. It's too bad. I didn't get that first comment on tape. I walked away from the mic for a second. But yeah, I'm sort of disintegrating. My world is is disintegrating very much. Like Roy baddies did in the

Chad (1h 0m 37s): original get laid Runner need to like rip her shirt off in the rain with a

Kev (1h 0m 41s): bird talk about ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Chad (1h 0m 49s): So wait Ben was saying he called the freakin' movie man. He saw that the stallion woman was the daughter. When did you when did you pick that up in this cannot be let go. I just I just I just had a feeling I just had a feeling that like the memory spinner in the bubble. Like I was like hmm. Why would she pop up? Well, you know, that's impressive good man. That's good. It just I did not get that it just I mean I didn't I didn't I don't want to say that I called it when it happened, but you know, I didn't I didn't call it when Introducing the movie per se but something something popped. Like I was like, yeah, what why is this? Why are we talking to this character? This is this is I had Chad. This is

Kev (1h 1m 34s): what I can't stand about Ben. He will figure something out like that like in the first third of the film and then I won't get it until I watched it five times.

Ben (1h 1m 46s): I mean, I can't say it figured it out, but I can only say that I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I know what I mean. I was like, oh, that's why I had that weird feeling when this character showed up. Yeah. I don't know why I just it just I mean, I can't even remember what the reason was that we as Watchers were introduced to her and whatever in the second act or whatever.I don't know.

Chad (1h 2m 11s): I love it. And then I just loved I loved K being like, yep go meet your daughter and then just like lying down in the snow and dying like straight up call back to Roy Batty and how like Deckard stops the uprising in the first movie and K starts the uprising in the second movie. This is so perfect.

Ben (1h 2m 34s): Yeah.

Chad (1h 2m 35s): Wow.

Ben (1h 2m 36s): Yeah, I kind of love the idea of another another Blade Runner movie but during this conversation. We've talked about, you know, the the the Universe at large and planets out there being populated and that is part of the story that we've never seen before and I'm kind of curious about that.

Chad (1h 2m 36s): Yeah, a total standalone to be awesome.

Kev (1h 3m 0s): You know, there was an interview I saw with Ridley Scott where he said that originally back in 1982. They had planned to do prequels and sequels and all kinds of things with this the first film so I wouldn't be surprised.

Ben (1h 3m 15s): Yeah, I mean that that might be an interesting way to take it right. I'm going to call it right now. That's what I hope they do.

Chad (1h 3m 20s): I like it. Gentlemen, its been a fabulous conversation. I think that's a great place to close.

Ben (1h 3m 26s): Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

Kev (1h 3m 29s): Can I go now?

Ben (1h 3m 30s): Kevin Kevin you can go listeners out there-

Chad (1h 3m 34s): just like, just like Luv, Kevin, you've got like tears rolling down your cheek right now.

Kev (1h 3m 37s): Yeah, should I do- I- I'm like exactly. I feel more like J. F. Sebastian though. As we've been saying here for the last five minutes folks that's going to be- I want to say that's all for today. But really I just want to say thanks to Chad and Ben that was really great topic, great film and thanks for tuning in everybody. Boys.

Ben (1h 4m 1s): Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Chad and Kev.

Kev (1h 4m 4s): Good night folks.

Chad (1h 4m 5s): Thanks guys. Great talk

Ben (1h 4m 5s): Ciao.

Kev (1h 4m 6s): And that's going to wrap up this week's episode. If you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about today. You can find them in the show notes in your podcast app of choice or at the website ebd.fm/1. If you have any thoughts on the show or an idea for a topic hit us up on Twitter at @ebdpodcast. You can find me @mohlverine on Twitter. That's m-o-h-l-v-e-r-i-n-e. Chad is @chadnormal on Twitter. Ben is @jarheego on Twitter. That's j-a-r-h-e-e-g-o. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.